Comments on: Why do Linux games cost what they cost?/2009/04/11/why-do-linux-games-cost-what-they-cost/ Commercial gaming for Linux Sat, 18 Sep 2010 16:12:58 +0100 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Maxim/2009/04/11/why-do-linux-games-cost-what-they-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-306 Maxim Sun, 10 May 2009 15:13:07 +0000 /?p=143#comment-306 I disagree with you that Linux users are usually make much more money then "windows/Mac" users, specially now that the netbooks rise and the GNU/Linux community grow. I am a Linux IT guy, but I don't make much money yet - specially not in the global economic downfall. I think that if sell a download versions of your games at reasonable prices (~50% lower then the box versions) you will gain more sells and more profit. You can still offer a box version for those who want it - nothing prevents it. About gaming ports - Linux users DO care when the game was released on the Windows platform. Game's first release date often states his technology. New games like Fallout3 have state of the art graphics , something that older games can't compete with. I am not saying that if the game looks "prettier" he is better, far from it - but we can all agree that Quake2 suppressed Quake1 and Sam2 suppressed Sam1 - newer engines , bigger games. I disagree with you that Linux users are usually make much more money then “windows/Mac” users, specially now that the netbooks rise and the GNU/Linux community grow.
I am a Linux IT guy, but I don’t make much money yet – specially not in the global economic downfall.

I think that if sell a download versions of your games at reasonable prices (~50% lower then the box versions) you will gain more sells and more profit.
You can still offer a box version for those who want it – nothing prevents it.

About gaming ports – Linux users DO care when the game was released on the Windows platform.
Game’s first release date often states his technology.
New games like Fallout3 have state of the art graphics , something that older games can’t compete with.
I am not saying that if the game looks “prettier” he is better, far from it – but we can all agree that Quake2 suppressed Quake1 and Sam2 suppressed Sam1 – newer engines , bigger games.

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By: Max/2009/04/11/why-do-linux-games-cost-what-they-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-203 Max Mon, 20 Apr 2009 00:35:13 +0000 /?p=143#comment-203 I think the price is still okay. I'm actually a huge fan of the X series and had not bought X3 for Windows before LGP released it. So it was great for me. Got X2 for Windows and bought it again for Linux. I'd also love to see X3, Terran conflict comming along. Should also not be as much work as X3 took, since Terran conflict uses the same engine and so on. The new title they are porting right now (the secret one) aint Terran Conflict for sure, since they said that the new title had Multiplayer and would work with penguin play. I'm really curious what they are porting. Sure it would be nice to buy the games cheaper or to buy two games for the price that one of the currently costs, but if that hurts LGP then i don't want to see it comming. I'd rather keep paying 50 bucks and keep those Linux Ports comming for decades than to buy 5 cheap games and see LGP go bankrupt. Who knows, maybe we'll get some high end titles like Crysis in the future. Although getting Crysis is very unlikely due to EA Games as publisher, but that's why I wrote "like". I also like what you did with the cockpit addon on the X3 disk. And i also like you policy of just doing real ports and not just partial once. It really annoyed me in Northland, that there was no Multiplayer part in the Linux Version. I can't really think of a game I'd like to see ported, well i can think of some but they are unlikely to happen. The ones you choose to port are generally pretty good. For example it would be nice to have "The Sims" for Linux since there is no game of that kind yet. Of course it would also be great to have modern, popular Multiplayer Titles like "Battlefield 2142", but again, unlikely to happen due to the publisher. Would be easy to maintain though, since EA stops the support for their games after the first 5 patches, so there would be no patches to fiddle around with. Seing some more strategy games would also be nice i guess. Stuff like Empire Earth. Or maybe even Paraworld. Hm, you should really check out Paraworld, i doubt that the developers of Paraworld would be againt a port since they've gone bankrupt. On the other hand it's not sure how many people would buy a strategy game that ain't hyped, these days. Oh, thinking about stuff I'd like to see, i came to the comclusion that Linux really lacks a 3d Jump'n'Run like Prince of Persia or Splinter Cell (i know it's a "stealth game" but you jump a lot...) I somehow had to think of Splinter Cell when i played Cold War some time last week. So what I'd basically like to see, is some Multiplayer Title where i can also play Windows users. You also might think about porting good old all time classics like Dungeon Keeper, Theme Hospital or Startopia. I dont really want to tell you what games to port, but rather to show what kind of games linux lacks right now. I think the price is still okay.
I’m actually a huge fan of the X series and had not bought X3 for Windows before LGP released it.
So it was great for me.

Got X2 for Windows and bought it again for Linux.

I’d also love to see X3, Terran conflict comming along. Should also not be as much work as X3 took, since Terran conflict uses the same engine and so on.
The new title they are porting right now (the secret one) aint Terran Conflict for sure, since they said that the new title had Multiplayer and would work with penguin play.
I’m really curious what they are porting.

Sure it would be nice to buy the games cheaper or to buy two games for the price that one of the currently costs, but if that hurts LGP then i don’t want to see it comming.

I’d rather keep paying 50 bucks and keep those Linux Ports comming for decades than to buy 5 cheap games and see LGP go bankrupt.
Who knows, maybe we’ll get some high end titles like Crysis in the future.
Although getting Crysis is very unlikely due to EA Games as publisher, but that’s why I wrote “like”.

I also like what you did with the cockpit addon on the X3 disk.
And i also like you policy of just doing real ports and not just partial once.
It really annoyed me in Northland, that there was no Multiplayer part in the Linux Version.

I can’t really think of a game I’d like to see ported, well i can think of some but they are unlikely to happen.
The ones you choose to port are generally pretty good.
For example it would be nice to have “The Sims” for Linux since there is no game of that kind yet.
Of course it would also be great to have modern, popular Multiplayer Titles like “Battlefield 2142″, but again, unlikely to happen due to the publisher.
Would be easy to maintain though, since EA stops the support for their games after the first 5 patches, so there would be no patches to fiddle around with.

Seing some more strategy games would also be nice i guess.
Stuff like Empire Earth.
Or maybe even Paraworld.
Hm, you should really check out Paraworld, i doubt that the developers of Paraworld would be againt a port since they’ve gone bankrupt.
On the other hand it’s not sure how many people would buy a strategy game that ain’t hyped, these days.

Oh, thinking about stuff I’d like to see, i came to the comclusion that Linux really lacks a 3d Jump’n'Run like Prince of Persia or Splinter Cell (i know it’s a “stealth game” but you jump a lot…)
I somehow had to think of Splinter Cell when i played Cold War some time last week.
So what I’d basically like to see, is some Multiplayer Title where i can also play Windows users.

You also might think about porting good old all time classics like Dungeon Keeper, Theme Hospital or Startopia.

I dont really want to tell you what games to port, but rather to show what kind of games linux lacks right now.

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By: Liam Dawe/2009/04/11/why-do-linux-games-cost-what-they-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-201 Liam Dawe Sun, 19 Apr 2009 11:25:36 +0000 /?p=143#comment-201 Would be nice if X3-Terran Conflict was ported too, you never know that could be the unnamed port they are working on. And since they have ported X2 and X3 it is likely they will port it if they are not already. Would be nice if X3-Terran Conflict was ported too, you never know that could be the unnamed port they are working on. And since they have ported X2 and X3 it is likely they will port it if they are not already.

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By: RKrisher/2009/04/11/why-do-linux-games-cost-what-they-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-197 RKrisher Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:46:17 +0000 /?p=143#comment-197 Personally I think Kevin is giving you a bad wrap for what "other" companies do, which is not good. I personally like LGP releases, specifically the X* series because it has add-ons and features already included that windows users have to scrub for and get off the internet. And scripting is way easier in the LGP version than the windows version. Excepting you have to translate some German now and then to read some of the existing comments ;-) Personally I think Kevin is giving you a bad wrap for what “other” companies do, which is not good. I personally like LGP releases, specifically the X* series because it has add-ons and features already included that windows users have to scrub for and get off the internet. And scripting is way easier in the LGP version than the windows version. Excepting you have to translate some German now and then to read some of the existing comments ;-)

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By: RKrisher/2009/04/11/why-do-linux-games-cost-what-they-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-196 RKrisher Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:25:37 +0000 /?p=143#comment-196 Dead on! While I'm not an IT person, I am tech savvy. However, I have turned a lot of non-tech people onto a linux platform and have noticed a lot of medium business in the US using custom linux apps to handle some aspect of their business and outsourcing support of it. Even a few "I just need some simple apps for Grandma and me to stay in touch with, but I'm going to college and cant afford a new system for her." Wine is definitely not an emulator. It uses custom dll's or sometimes the same dll's that windows uses. It just doesn't have the same architecture as windows and sometimes apps are looking for custom proprietary things that the windows OS uses. Depends on how much the windows app developer keeps his app self contained or depends on the existing code and structure of windows to run his app. Dead on! While I’m not an IT person, I am tech savvy. However, I have turned a lot of non-tech people onto a linux platform and have noticed a lot of medium business in the US using custom linux apps to handle some aspect of their business and outsourcing support of it. Even a few “I just need some simple apps for Grandma and me to stay in touch with, but I’m going to college and cant afford a new system for her.”

Wine is definitely not an emulator. It uses custom dll’s or sometimes the same dll’s that windows uses. It just doesn’t have the same architecture as windows and sometimes apps are looking for custom proprietary things that the windows OS uses. Depends on how much the windows app developer keeps his app self contained or depends on the existing code and structure of windows to run his app.

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By: RKrisher/2009/04/11/why-do-linux-games-cost-what-they-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-195 RKrisher Sat, 18 Apr 2009 18:05:30 +0000 /?p=143#comment-195 I agree that having a hard copy with manual is much preferable. I only like the "download now" to satisfy my "I wanna play it now" itch. Pricing is not an issue. How can we expect applications for our platform to flourish based on a free model. It also helps pay for the tech support issues I may run into. In the case of X3, the downloaded version I had from tuxgames wouldn't update to the ATI fix, but installing the hard copy resolved the issue and gave me peace of mind that I had a version that HAD to be supportable and SHOULD work like it is supposed to. And having PAID for it, I was able to get responses from tech support. I also still turn to my hard manual at times. It's a lot easier to use while playing a game than popping up another window with a pdf in it. I agree that having a hard copy with manual is much preferable. I only like the “download now” to satisfy my “I wanna play it now” itch. Pricing is not an issue. How can we expect applications for our platform to flourish based on a free model. It also helps pay for the tech support issues I may run into. In the case of X3, the downloaded version I had from tuxgames wouldn’t update to the ATI fix, but installing the hard copy resolved the issue and gave me peace of mind that I had a version that HAD to be supportable and SHOULD work like it is supposed to. And having PAID for it, I was able to get responses from tech support. I also still turn to my hard manual at times. It’s a lot easier to use while playing a game than popping up another window with a pdf in it.

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By: Michael Simms (CEO and head of Development)/2009/04/11/why-do-linux-games-cost-what-they-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-193 Michael Simms (CEO and head of Development) Sat, 18 Apr 2009 16:52:11 +0000 /?p=143#comment-193 Well, resellers will usually drop their prices to compete with each other, so we would expect that if we dropped prices on our site, our resellers will do the same. Well, resellers will usually drop their prices to compete with each other, so we would expect that if we dropped prices on our site, our resellers will do the same.

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By: Liam Dawe/2009/04/11/why-do-linux-games-cost-what-they-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-190 Liam Dawe Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:48:21 +0000 /?p=143#comment-190 bugger meant to put that reply after your reply to my comment :( bugger meant to put that reply after your reply to my comment :(

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By: Liam Dawe/2009/04/11/why-do-linux-games-cost-what-they-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-189 Liam Dawe Sat, 18 Apr 2009 15:47:46 +0000 /?p=143#comment-189 It will only work if all of the resellers change their prices since you guys don't actually sell the games though right? It will only work if all of the resellers change their prices since you guys don’t actually sell the games though right?

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By: John Kloosterman/2009/04/11/why-do-linux-games-cost-what-they-cost/comment-page-1/#comment-185 John Kloosterman Fri, 17 Apr 2009 17:15:12 +0000 /?p=143#comment-185 Well - I am a fan of the X-series games and I bought X2, X3-Reunion and X3-Terran Conflict for Windows the day they came out. I also bought X2 and X3 for Linux and do not really have a problem with pricing. I think it was a nice touch to also include the Xtended mod pack on the DVD. This adds a lot of value as the game can be played in two different ways, and so almost doubles the playing time. This is a value added to the original game. As I use Linux as my main system I only have to pay the hardware costs for my system. The OS is free. All software I need for production work is also completely free (Xara LX, Blender, GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus, Ardour, Rosegarden etc.), so that leaves more financial room for those games that have to be ported to Linux. Even if the price I have to pay for a game is double or triple the price of the Windows version I still lost far less money then when I had to buy Windows and all the software I need (Yes I know a lot of these software also runs on windows, but you get the idea). The only problem I have is that the games from LGP are difficult to get here in the Netherlands. As I do not have a credit card (and do not want to have one) ordering something outside my country is fairly cumbersome. Still - I want to go trough these difficulties and accept the (relatively) higher price to get the game that works on my platform of choice. If that's the price I have to pay to get software ported to my platform I am happy to pay. Now - I only can hope X3-Terran Conflict also will be ported. Well - you can always dream - can't you? ;-) Well – I am a fan of the X-series games and I bought X2, X3-Reunion and X3-Terran Conflict for Windows the day they came out. I also bought X2 and X3 for Linux and do not really have a problem with pricing. I think it was a nice touch to also include the Xtended mod pack on the DVD. This adds a lot of value as the game can be played in two different ways, and so almost doubles the playing time. This is a value added to the original game.

As I use Linux as my main system I only have to pay the hardware costs for my system. The OS is free. All software I need for production work is also completely free (Xara LX, Blender, GIMP, Inkscape, Scribus, Ardour, Rosegarden etc.), so that leaves more financial room for those games that have to be ported to Linux. Even if the price I have to pay for a game is double or triple the price of the Windows version I still lost far less money then when I had to buy Windows and all the software I need (Yes I know a lot of these software also runs on windows, but you get the idea).

The only problem I have is that the games from LGP are difficult to get here in the Netherlands. As I do not have a credit card (and do not want to have one) ordering something outside my country is fairly cumbersome. Still – I want to go trough these difficulties and accept the (relatively) higher price to get the game that works on my platform of choice. If that’s the price I have to pay to get software ported to my platform I am happy to pay.

Now – I only can hope X3-Terran Conflict also will be ported. Well – you can always dream – can’t you? ;-)

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